Showing posts with label National Assembly. Show all posts
Showing posts with label National Assembly. Show all posts

Tuesday, October 11, 2016

A discussion with Francisco Toro on why I am anti anti Chavista

http://www.caracaschronicles.com/2016/10/11/vise-news/

I'm taking the liberty of skimming an article by Francisco Toro, that appears in Caracas Chronicles, a widely read English language anti Venezuelan government blog which he edits. I commented, he replied and here it is:





Vise News

Quico digs around in TodoChavez.gob.ve and brings the choice bits he finds to the readers of the New York Times.

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It is a truth universally acknowledged that writers are never very happy with the headlines editors run over their articles. But every rule has its exceptions, and I think this is really quite apt. A taste:
For Mr. Chávez, this [putting the revocatorio article in the constitution] was partly a way to justify his role in history. In 1992, he had led a failed coup attempt against the democratically elected government of the day. It was a shabby affair: A few dozen troops machine-gunned the presidential palace in Caracas, the capital, while the president slipped out a side door and Mr. Chávez himself struggled to coordinate the revolt from the military museum nearby. The coup failed, but it propelled its leader to media stardom and eventually to the presidency.
Later, Mr. Chávez would argue that his revolt had been legitimate because Venezuela’s Constitution at the time contained no provision for getting rid of a catastrophically underperforming president.
“The Venezuela of ‘92 was so different from today’s Venezuela,” he said in a 2000 television interview. “Back then, all exits were blocked, totally blocked.”
Good clean fun.
Comments:






  • I guess you nailed one reason why there are anti anti Chavistas who will never support the opposition, in spite of the mismanagement and failures of the present government, and that’s the Punto Fijo roots of the opposition.
    The corrupt old regime especially after the Caracazo was a democracy for the elites, a divvying up of the spoils, sitting atop violence, repression and disappearances.
    Your National Assembly leader, despised by his paymasters at the US Embassy in Caracas is the perfect mascot for this cause.
    Dear God please help Venezuela, caught between a rock and a hard place just as Americans also need Your intervention in the “Democratic Election” of 2016.
    • Yeah, how could they *possibly* support people associated with a regime that introduced universal free public education through university level, nationalized oil, mandated profit-sharing by law, introduced universal free health care provision, created the Instituto Venezolano del Seguro Social, subsidized low income housing, mandated paid maternity leave, mandated severance payments, mandated vacation pay…peace with the neoliberals? NEVER!!
      • No comment about the Caracazo, mass shootings of poor protesters or Punto Fijo, with its formalizing of a “one party with two wings” “democracy” or AD’s relationship with the US embassy. What a surprise!
        But just what the hell is the opposition’s plan? What are your differences with the government on the external debt? What do you propose to do about the $100,000,000,000’s skimmed through the multi tiered currency exchange rates and other forms of theft exemplified by Derwick and held outside of Venezuela?
        While I don’t personally have a position on the major mining proposal for the southern region I haven’t noticed an opposition position on it. It’s forgiveable for an individual who doesn’t live in Venezuela and has no expertise, but for a coalition that’s proposing to lead the country it isn’t.
        About Democracy – Marrea Socialista was denied the status of a legal electoral party and so could not participate in the National Assembly election last December. I am not an advocate for them but I appreciate their attention to the missing dollars. Maybe I missed what you or MUD had to say about any of that.
        From what I gather CLAP is indeed reaching people who are in need. I know people whose margin of staying alive is the CLAP food bag. I hope CLAP expands and improves and that efforts it’s making in food production increase and succeed.. What would you or MUD do right now in Venezuela to address the issue of hunger?
      • (CLAP is the acronym for the program in Venezuela that brings bags of low cost food to increasing numbers of Venezuela's households and is involved in food production, something that Venezuela does not have enough of- Eugene Weixel).
    • Eugene, my old Chavista friend, how have you been doing since the days of Oil Wars? Not a peep from this gang for a long long time now.
      • I never described myself as a Chavista, but did defend the positive side of Chavez. I blog sometimes about Venezuela at https//Venezuela USA.blogspot.com.
        I hope life’s been treating you well.
  • I didn’t know the revocatorio had its origins with the hero of the museo mlitar.
    Recent world events are increasingly leading me to think that referenda are fundamentally bad things, and what better suits the purpose, and can better address problems of: (a) the election of lunatics who abuse their power, (b) fights over term limits, (c) battles between branches of government, (d) deferral of important and urgent decisions and (e) process issues around the referendum itself, a thing that is little understood, not normally supposed to happen, often ambiguous in its purpose, and easily manipulated- is British Parliamentary Democracy.
    I know… not going to happen, ever. And yes, parliamentary democracies are increasingly latching on to the referendum, mostly I suspect so those governments can avoid the normal consequences of…parliamentary democracy.
    While I obviously support the revocatorio in Venezuela because, what other options to change the government within the existing law are there?- over the longer term, I think it is a bad idea, and this regime has amply demonstrated why it is a bad idea, one that should be dumped along with all of Chavez’s other bad ideas and replaced with something more fundamental and structural in nature, when this agony is over.


    • Francisco Toro's reports and opinion pieces have appeared in the New York Times, Washington Post and other publications.

    Friday, January 15, 2016

    A busy ten days in Venezuela.




    The new head of Venezuela’s National Assembly opened up a color / racial /culture war by crudely and on video ordering the removal of a science based portrait of Simon Bolivar,  the Venezuelan who led the anti colonialist war against Spain that resulted in the independence of six countries.  The issue is of color or "race." It's been widely  (but not unanimously ) agreed that Bolivar was a "mestizo," a person of more than one "racial" background, like most Venezuelans. The classic portrait of Bolivar depicts him as a European man. In 2012, President Hugo Chavez had Bolivar's remains exhumed and analyzed. This resulted in a new official portrait. The process of creating the new portrait is shown in the first video. The original reason for exhuming Bolivar's body was to determine if he had been killed by arsenic poisoning.

    Ramos also ordered the removal of the portrait of Hugo Chavez, who is seen by many Venezuelans as having been a president who not only looked like them but cared about them. Ramos is on video calling the painting "vaina" which can mean "crap" or "stuff". He is heard telling the workers to put the portraits in the garbage, or bring them to the President's residence.

    Today President Maduro gave his annual report on the state of the country to the National Assembly. It had been touch and go till yesterday whether he would do this, as the legal status of the Assembly itself was in question.

    Four electees were barred from being sworn in by the nation's highest court that rules on electoral issues.  Ramos Allup had complied with the order of the court on the first day of the Assembly session but apparently changed his mind after a statement on Venezuela's political process was put out by the United States government.











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    Press Statement

    John Kirby 
    Spokesperson, Bureau of Public Affairs
    Washington, DC
    January 5, 2016


    The United States congratulates the people of Venezuela on the installation of their new, democratically-elected National Assembly. This is an important and necessary step towards fulfilling the will of Venezuelan voters as reflected in last month’s elections.
    The National Assembly can serve an important function in advancing and promoting a national dialogue focused on addressing the social and economic challenges facing the Venezuelan people. We call on all parties to respect the independence, authority, and constitutional prerogatives of the National Assembly. We remain concerned by the controversy surrounding the seating of some elected representatives and call for a resolution of this dispute in manner that is transparent and reflects the preferences of the Venezuelan voters.
    In recognition of the installation of the National Assembly, and to facilitate dialogue, we again call for the release of all those imprisoned for their political beliefs and activities.

    This seemed to do the trick for Ramos Allup,  who is known for begging the United States government for money and favors from the US Embassy in Caracas. He swore in the three opposition electees who had been suspended by the court. I have a feeling the fact that the whole world knows that the United States government has branded him a money grubbing asshole annoyed him enough to cause him to reverse course and unsweraing in .the three, thereby temporarily avoiding a constitutional clash.

    By the way, President Maduro declared an economic state of emergency, which squares with what I hear from Venezuela. This is an emerging humanitarian crisis and it needs prompt attention, so says everyone.
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    S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 03 CARACAS 001026

    SIPDIS

    SIPDIS

    HQSOUTHCOM ALSO FOR POLAD
    FOR FRC LAMBERT

    E.O. 12958: DNG: CO 04/12/2026
    TAGS: PGOV, KDEM, VE
    SUBJECT: ACCION DEMOCRATICA: A HOPELESS CASE

    REF: A. 05 CARACAS 03713

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    Classified By: ACTING POLITICAL COUNSELOR MARK A. WELLS FOR 1.4 (D)

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    Summary
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    1. (C) Accion Democratica (AD), Venezuela's largest
    opposition party, is going nowhere fast. Its leader,
    secretary general Henry Ramos Allup, is unimaginative,

    SIPDIS
    overconfident, and even repellent. Rather than seeking unity
    among the opposition, Ramos Allup insults other party
    officials. Rather than formulate a platform, AD officials
    plead for help from the international community, whose
    representatives Ramos Alup also disrespects. Because AD is
    an extremelycentralized party even by Venezuelan standards,
    fficials with alternate views rarely have a voice.
    Challengers to Ramos Allup wind up marginalized. As a
    result, AD's voter base, which consists ofpeople who vote
    for the party out of tradition, i quickly dwindling.

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    Fecklss Leadership
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    2. (S) Acion Democratica's main problem has a name: Henry
    Ramos Allup. Accion Democratica (AD) secretary gneral Ramos
    Allup is crude, abrasive, arrogant, ad thin-skinned. His
    style is not unlike that ofPresident Hugo Chavez. In a
    meeting with AndeanAffairs office director Phillip French
    February 5, Ramos Allup pounded on the table and called his
    opponents names. Reflecting Chavez' idealistic uderstanding
    of foreign policy, he ranted about hw the Spanish had
    forgotten the generosity of fomer AD administrations after
    the Spanish Pablo Ilesias foundation had withdrawn some
    scholarship offered AD. His pettiness extends to his
    intra-arty rivals--he told the press "no one supports" oe
    of his AD challengers--and to U.S. Ambassadors whom he
    critiqued during a party meeting attendd by poloff. Asked
    how he responded to charges hat traditional political
    parties were responsibl for many of Venezuela's problems,
    Ramos Allup eumerated improvements the so-called Fourth
    Repubic had made on the dictatorships that preceded it.

    3. (C) Ramos Allup has become perhaps the mos vocal
    advocate of electoral abstention since a prceived snub by
    opposition party Primero Justici forced him to cave to
    pressure from the AD rankand-file to withdraw from the
    December 2005 legilative elections (REF A). He has received
    prais from conservative Chavez opponents who have
    apprciated his grandstanding--Ramos Allup's greatestskill--against the electoral process. According t March
    press reports, Ramos Allup said those whoadvocated
    participation in the December 2006 preidential elections
    would be voting "with their pats around their ankles." He
    has disparaged thos who have declared themselves as
    candidates. While his counterparts in Primero Justicia and
    Copei have adopted a wait-and-see approach and have urged
    quick consensus on a unity candidate, Ramos Allup has already
    announced that he expects the new CNE leadership to consist
    of Chavez lackeys masquerading as opposition representatives,
    according to April 4 press reports.

    4. (S) Ramos Allup is as overconfident as he is
    unimaginative. He tends to rest on his increasingly obsolete
    laurels as the head of the largest opposition party, a title
    he claimed repeatedly during the meeting with the AND
    director. He boasted to reporters during a March interview,

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    "either conditions change here or there will be no
    elections." Ramos Allup alleged in March that AD would
    certainly win a primary election, but he reasoned that he was
    not going to help seek a unity candidate because no other
    party would support AD in a race against Chavez. (Embassy
    Note: AD does have the most support in terms of numbers of
    opposition voters; it polls about 8 percent. Yet, the party
    lacks anyone charismatic enough to confront Chavez.) Ramos
    Allup opponent Luis Emilio Rondon told us that surveys of
    possible candidates did not mention a single name from AD.

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    5. (C) Rather than court Venezuelan voters, Ramos Allup's
    principal political strategy has been to seek help from the
    international community, a media interview of the AD leader
    suggests. Indeed, AD officials have explicitly and
    repeatedly sought funds and favors from the Embassy. When
    refused by one Embassy official, they ask another. AD first
    vice president Victor Bolivar, who solicited funding from
    poloff (REF B), organized a meeting in December 2005 with
    polcouns to make the same pitch. When polcouns changed the
    subject, Bolivar and his fellow AD officials made the same
    long, detailed request in English in case poloff did not
    understand. Asked whether they were planning to engage the
    public on important issues, the officials said they intended
    to go to the OAS to complain about Chavez' handling of the
    National Assembly election instead. Former AD National
    Assembly deputy Pedro Pablo Alcantara calls and visits the
    Embassy regularly with requests for visas, scholarships for
    friends, etc. He calls different sections of the Embassy if
    he does not receive what he requests. One of the few, albeit
    brief, successes of AD's strategy to depend on foreigners was
    a news segment it helped a Norwegian television station
    produce that highlighted Chavez' failures to alleviate
    poverty.

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    No Support For Alternative Views
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    6. (C) In a country where hierarchical parties is the norm,
    both AD officials and contacts from other political parties
    single out AD for its centralized decisionmaking practices.
    Not only is AD extremely vertically organized, it also is
    dictatorial. The party prohibited AD official Luis Emilio
    Rondon, who struck poloff as having better ideas than most AD
    officials during an October 2005 meeting, from running for
    secretary general in late 2005. Discussing the lack of free

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    internal elections, Rondon rhetorically asked poloff what
    made AD different from Chavez' movement. The party also
    replaced its international affairs secretary, Rondon's
    running mate Alfredo Coronil, with Mauricio Poler, one of
    AD's solicitors for Embassy funds.

    7. (C) There are a few AD officials willing to challenge
    the party's conventional wisdom, but their views rarely
    surface in daily party rhetoric. For example, National
    Executive Council (CEN) member Alfonso Marquina opposed
    withdrawing from the parliamentary elections, Ramos Allup
    told us. Former AD president Humberto Celli still favors
    participating in the presidential elections, according to
    press reports. Movement toward Socialism party officials who
    support seeking a unity candidate have also told us they have
    met with sympathetic AD officials.

    8. (C) Strategic thinkers within AD are even rarer.
    Alfonso Marquina, AD's haughty former parliamentary bloc

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    leader, told poloff in late 2004 the opposition needed to
    shift its rhetoric away from political issues and address the
    problems of the majority poor, but his own party has not yet
    taken his advice. In contrast with Ramos Allup's policy of
    antagonizing many opposition counterparts, the now silenced
    Luis Emilio Rondon told us in October 2005 that the most
    important task facing his party was to build an opposition
    alliance. In April 2006, CEN member Nelson Lara told poloff
    he had a plan to work within Chavez' poor 









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